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Miss Louise. ‘condescending article … your jealous (sic), disdain and contempt’ (Carrie http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2015/07/plastics-phthalates-safe-alternatives. http://www.hyperhyve.com. The flowhive system may not be perfect but nothing is. We have to consider nature and modernization… We have to find a way for them to connect. I’m a person who’s intrigued in this idea and wanting to keep bees for business ideas I have planned. But instead of working with the wax comb they’ve created, the Flow Hive forces bees to deal with hormone-disrupting plastics that off-gas. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and research into this. I think your opinions and research are valid and important, as. I will admit my incorrect stance and move along. The drones in the hive are driven off in winter by the workers who no longer have the resources to feed them. The Flow Hive is not as sweet as it seems. Do your 3 claims still apply? And Wilbur and Orville they may have not have known it. its worth, the literature that comes with the flow hive is very called Capitalism. As for animal husbandry, beekeeping for honey is already animal husbandry isn’t it? Thank you for this. The house is the second half of the work shed. Sorry to burst your bubble George but you will still need the bee suite and tools and a smoker. Enjoyed driving across the Namib desert solo from a break in Swokamund on the African West Coast. May 28. This is usually not a problem as the bees will mop up the excess honey even if it reaches the bottom of the hive. How arrogant humans can be. I’m not your typical beekeeper for sure. More hives by more people means more locations for bees to live, and more people will be concerned about planting more flowering plants and using fewer pesticides. That said, if you’re an amateur beek, who’s only planning on getting one or two hives and you don’t want to lug heavy frames of honey to a manual extractor (and all the clean-up that’s involved), then I’d say the Flow hive is a worthwhile investment. I couldn’t agree with you more about the disconnect between the honeybees and beekeeper. Symptoms of aspartame poisoning include: unconsciousness, headaches, fatigue, dizziness, nausea, palpitation, weight gain, irritability, anxiety, memory loss, blurry vision, fainting, joint pains, depression, infertility, hearing loss and more. Stop wasting your breath complaining that it The bees can smell this chemical and why they are reluctant to farm in plastic combs. – Jake, Article about same (as is frequent in internet articles, it is UNDATED): Then using a steel bar to take wooden frames from a hive. The bees will probably go into the tube and scavenge any honey left behind once you pop the bucket off (leave the bucket open and they’ll steal it while you’re trying to steal it from them). If I were to just have one hive and just do as a hobby and learn a bit, I still think the Flow Hive would be a great thing to have. Who cares if they do it just for the honey? HOW MANY commercial scale apiarists will want to spend over HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to change systems ? I think if we start/proceed with what do the bees need to thrive for the equivalent of our next 7 generations, there’ll be a stronger possibility that we both survive and thrive. Do you have any idea about honey production? So the $80 of a Langstroth set up is about 1/10th the cost of the FH and far more economical to set up en-mass or where they are potentially accessible by people with ill intentions. Agreed. That’s exactly the answer of someone who cannot confront with facts. to call us “hipsters” or imply that we’re just following some fad and don’t want to do the REAL work of REAL beekeepers because we’re lazy uninformed terrified-of-being-stung callous dummies is pretty shitty, lady. Many must be you and aneghbor. I see it as almost a one time easy harvest then a reset of the system . This could lend to condensation and mold issues if you never pull this apart to clean it. You nailed it with this guy…he turned me off & now I want a FloHive…lol! I have flows and expect to harvest this year..I also have a second hive with a super containing wax frames….I like have the option of both and to be able to compare…, It makes no sense of discussing much with you. More homes for bees, budding new beekeepers who plant bee, and other pollinator , friendly plants, and money/awareness flooding into the community is just such a terrible thing. ↓, huh it’s more about the plastic being toxic to the bees and not about it being bad for the honey. This article is just the same thing repeated from ages ago. This device enables honey to be taken in modest quantities without Honey containers starting at 20ltrs upwards. The manufacturers have assured us that it’s not only BPA-free, but it is not manufactured with bisphenol-S or any other bisphenol compounds. You can still have wax foundation in your brood box(es). I do however agree that this may encourage over-harvesting by inexperienced beekeepers. As with George, I’ve been trying to do a little research on the flow-hive as I find it an interesting development, and so – like many – have ended up here. The point of beekeeping is to commune with the bees, not to further remove oneself from them. Just like all the honey comes to houses from traditional hives through the responsible husbandry of commercial beekeepers with 1500 hive plus at a time. The honey is then mechanically filtered. It’s how the backward beekeepers like, The Flow Hive is touted as a “beekeeper’s dream.” But in my opinion, it’s a wannabe’s fantasy. This newfangled honey collection system is comprised of plastic. I have to agree. According to quantum physics, we could be living in a simulation, in which mind is over matter. I don’t know a single experienced beekeeper that runs one of these silly devices. I know many “traditional” old time bee keepers in this area who look down their noses on the “top bar” or “coffin style” hive you mention. All rights reserved. I use food grade plastics in my Spirulina farm and if there were such gasses and chemicals present it would have leeched into the water a very long time ago and disrupted the entire operation. But as soon as I saw it I wanted to try one. The product is wholly and solely designed for competent beekeepers. This in point of fact would be me and the many many others who are like me and find joining your “cool club” a bit too much hassle, where this hive idea does address some of those points. With plastic it’s hard for them to communicate. If there was a bullshit metre for all the hives and connecting ideologies that people who have certain kinds of hives tend to follow, the Flow Hive would come out on top of all that as bullshit, in my opinion (based on empirical evidence as collected by my eyes in various places)!! No evidence there either. As the bees breathe, they release warm, moist air. With that I am a gardener and very much have wanted bees for over 10 years now. one of those being that it’s impossible to fully check for disease via a window – though windows are great for peeking at your bees. I’m offended by your article! While your at it, why not learn more about beekeeping. I was having a tough time articulating my own critiques of items like FlowHive, and you hit on them precisely! Maybe the original owners are also working on that? commercial beekeepers to take honey – such things as bee-blowers result Now that is a reasonable attitude. Look at the polymers design and you will see it is not a toxic plastic. The author of this article doesn’t seem to have even taken a good look at their site or the forums therein! living creatures (chickens,Bunny,Cats,frogs and even a hermit crab) we I got almost a HALF GALLON of honey from just one frame in about 30 minutes!! To avoid changing our egocentric lifestyles and expect the bees to survive is only going to lead us all down one path. Love your arithmetic. I now have 2 flow hives and have been keeping bees for 3 years, but am unlikely to get any more in the near future, moving towards the more traditional set ups for additional hives. The FH themselves are sensitive to high temps which affects how you clean them- no more than 60 degrees Celsius). That said, it has been a bumpy road, but I am always thinking of the health of the hive and what benefits the bees. Queen excluders have their own problems as well. On the slim chance you haven’t been forwarded the pitch yet, the Flow™ Hive is a honey super that you can extract honey from without having to open the hive and remove frames. sounds pretty disturbing to me. 1 – Plastic has the same properties as wax and allows the bees to function as normal, including regulating hive temperatures and communicating. If you are new to beekeeping or are setting up a Flow Hive for the first time, then this is the bundle for you! A lot of bee keepers use plastic. A 1200 hive operation in Oz should be mov8ng around 120 or more tonnes a year, on average.. You have never used a large scale fully mechanised extraction plant, have you, Miss Brown ? Or, why use a a plastic blender for smoothies when you can squish fruit by hand. Plastic – What doesn’t come in plastic these days? My thinking is, more swarms, more hives out there to build the population back up. Also, I doubt it will hold up very long to all the propolis and wax. You can see from the design, the frame consists of “partly formed” honeycomb cells therefore “Non-Existent A lot going on – and I’m a Realtor in the suburbs. Learning. If someone believes you just simply buy a hive, install bees, and the bees do the rest, will soon see they are wrong, and not see much return on ther investment. Time will tell. Don’t get wooed by the hype and the mesmerizing images of honey. Your article REEKS with elitism or Ludite-ism. Took less than 5 mins to complete the process. For good or bad, the Flow Hive inspired a wave of new beekeepers and with that comes a lot of ignorance and mistakes. it’s fine. You should go work for fox. If you Google Kenyan Top Bar you will see a single layer hive which has a lid and when harvesting honey, this is really the most simple type of hive. http://www.cdbka.org.uk/index.php/articles/282-legal-problems-looming-for-the-flow-hive, The patent: However, to get a patent you need to show that your invention is different enough from “prior art”. It seems to be a regurgitation of a Luddite argument against looms and mills. The primary reason is ease of management and less disturbing of the hive since bees in Africa are a bit more aggressive due to the “traditional methodology employed. the price of 7 flow plastic frames is over $600, the hive and frames cost over $900. The idea that the flowhive is not natural and should not be used is absurd. But your arguments against it sound like desperate clutching at straws. beekeeping essentials will need to be learned and they strongly Sometimes it just takes an open mind to achieve a better way. I recommend you purchase two langstroth hives and two nucs to start. This is going to make huge POSITIVE differences for farmers, families, and the world. what is even up with the disdain for new beekeepers? To me Of course, it’s not like the hands-off approach is a good one to begin with. An acquaintance of mine used to deliver trucks of sugar to commercial hives, as they exploit the bees to the max. If the reviewer thinks the bees are happy with traditional harvesting, thats laughable. The Flow Hive is not as sweet as it seems. Common sense is not so common in the world. It was so considered because in their whole activity, processes reveal themselves which also take place in man himself. I believed it to be the Universe or the the God withing me, since I understood that we all are the same, just lived different lifes. I’ve had people tell me that there’s no way to tell when the honey is ready like this author, and I ask them how do they know when theirs is ready. 1. I think it helps the average person become more interested in bees, since if you pay for it, you’re going to want to take care of your investment, and helps them to understand the process. That’s why they called their movie More Than Honey. It’s common for Lang and Warre owners to stack honey supers on top, since it’s easy; bees like to build from top down. And it doesn’t involve turning on a tap. Your invested work? THIS is not healthy for bees either, it stresses them. Individual frames can be selected after inspection by actuators. Here are a few ways to support the work being done now: 1) Find your local beekeeper and mentor with him/her. I posted this 5 months ago i do not have the U.S patent on his invention on my computer anymore. It even has a motor. Sure some things are man made but bees are so adaptable. I agree with Maryam and others who have written that the FlowHive may contribute to the problem of speeding up or simplifying a complex process simply for the sake of convenience. At around $1000 Canadian, I believe that the Flow Hive is far too expensive to buy outright. The resonant frequency (230-270 Hz) of the comb is matched to the bees’ vibration sensors and acts as an information highway between bees on opposite sides of the comb. support your local farmers and all things will work together. It’s sort of like banning a book because your pastor read a few lines out of context. So, thank you, Jonathan Powell. Meanwhile, this is a testament that, “One wants to see this be successful, easy to use, and contribute to the world of improved beekeeping,”  adds Kim Flottum, beekeeper and editor of. Because of the nature of this process, I’m sure it’s a major deterrent for many responsible, but no less time-taxed be keepers. They make mistakes, they lose hives and then they either learn from it or they quit beekeeping altogether. With the hives the ongoing management of them is not lessened by fitting them with the flowing tap system for honey extraction. 2) Learn to keep bees PATIENTLY. You can inbed manufactured artificial foundation on wire to guide the comb building bees. So please, if you’re not able to control your desires that lead you to murder other species, at least control your desires not to invent justification for the murder by using unilateral self-deceptive arguments, which are supposed to keep your conscience lame for long time to come. (The sales pitch of the Flow-Hive is just marketing, of course profit could also lead to healthier ideas, never saw something like that tho. After all we may not come from “a a long family connection with bees”. Your reasons are not a reason not to purchase this product. I started reading this article wanting very much to be on your side of the fence because I think that a healthy amount of skepticism is always a good idea before a purchase and finding a critical blog post immediately induced a powerful confirmation bias… but this blog post reads a bit like it was written by a niche artist who resents financial success and also happens to be a vegan who is really hungry and EXTRA cantankerous. We just got a flow hive super with three frames to trial – I’m glad to hear that setup works as its how were were planning on doing it also – only difference it gets cold where we are so they need two full mediums for winter. Why are people going back to organic food . I’ve been researching the Flow Hive and mulling over saving up to purchase one. The exchange of brood in this manner at key points throughout the season should allow Carniolan hives to take advantage of Italian honey processing (they’re good honey processors, and dry the honey more quickly), while Italian hives get early spring build-up and that 5-7 mile forage (along with fast comb building). They have wax. did they ask for help and did anyone show them what to do for themselves? moreover, each “flow” frame can be drained individually – you don’t have to drain all of them at a time and can leave as much honey as you like for your girls to eat over the winter. For the old school bee keepers who’ve already invested time and money doesn’t mean they can’t start building this idea and project, heck as anything, they should change in 5-10% of their bee farm into this idea and see what positives and negatives might be, do 3% even just to get the jest. real factual reason why the flow-hove (sic) is not a good thing. 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